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  • #16
    Originally posted by Roland View Post

    I snuck into TFP offices and pushed it a couple times last week but it doesn't seem to be hooked up to Tell Tale Games or Iron Galaxy anymore...


    (There might be a bit more to it than pushing a button after all)

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Roland View Post


      I snuck into TFP offices and pushed it a couple times last week but it doesn't seem to be hooked up to Tell Tale Games or Iron Galaxy anymore...


      (There might be a bit more to it than pushing a button after all)
      Now that TFP have the rights back, it could be that simple. Not sure why you bring up TTG when they nothing to do with 7D2D anymore. What is the quote from Iron Galaxy to do another update? If someone in a C level position said make the update happen pretty sure it would happen.

      The fact is I fell for the we are working on getting the rights back to support all platforms. When the TFP changed it to support PC and aid console I felt like the writing was on the wall. Now TFP have the rights back and all of a sudden they realized they don’t know anything about porting to console. Well we all know IG can do it, and then it became about money. I am not sure why they didn’t think this out before they attempted to get the rights back.

      So I understand sometimes when we are emotional such as angry we might spout off something that can be misunderstood. I would also assume most console players are younger and might act before thinking. I have seen you change a post Roland after you appeared to get angry with some other user.

      So if the console forums are just a place to hear complainers, and insult or make fun of peoples opinion then close the console forums. Until PC goes gold, which no one, not even TFP have an idea of when that will be nothing is going to happen. Otherwise it is the same argument as it has always been.

      Sylen, you might be right about a $300 PC playing the game, but I would say on average it will be closer to $500 unless you want console type graphics. While not $500 is not $1000, I don’t believe someone is ill-informed when they at least know they are going to be spending 10X the cost of the game just to play it. But I understand you are just a PC guy. I like my PC but at times the console has it advantages for me and my friends.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by SylenThunder View Post
        Really, the biggest issue is how ill-informed all the complainers are.
        Pretty insulting and unprofessional comment from a moderator. Most off the shelf PCs that can run A18 even remotely decently are not going to cost $500. Perhaps if someone builds it themselves maybe they could pull it off. Not everyone is down for that. Console players also like their cold adult beverages. Doesn't mean they should have to build a refrigerator just so that they can enjoy a beer.

        Most console gamers like just having a machine they can turn on for 5-10 years and never have to mess with anything.

        Just look at the jump in spec requirements between A17 and A18. A cheap machine at $500 (still more expensive than current Gen8 consoles btw) could very easily require additional upgrades post-patch.

        Informed or not I personally prefer console gaming over PC because it is less fuss. My time is limited. My time is money. I don't get pleasure out of building PCs anymore. For the record I'm well informed, well educated, financially capable, and technologically savvy.

        I know this isn't a new argument to anyone here, but someone in a position of authority and addressing customers should know better. Bad form friend.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Dernagon View Post
          Pretty insulting and unprofessional comment from a moderator. Most off the shelf PCs that can run A18 even remotely decently are not going to cost $500. Perhaps if someone builds it themselves maybe they could pull it off. Not everyone is down for that. Console players also like their cold adult beverages. Doesn't mean they should have to build a refrigerator just so that they can enjoy a beer.

          Most console gamers like just having a machine they can turn on for 5-10 years and never have to mess with anything.

          Just look at the jump in spec requirements between A17 and A18. A cheap machine at $500 (still more expensive than current Gen8 consoles btw) could very easily require additional upgrades post-patch.

          Informed or not I personally prefer console gaming over PC because it is less fuss. My time is limited. My time is money. I don't get pleasure out of building PCs anymore. For the record I'm well informed, well educated, financially capable, and technologically savvy.

          I know this isn't a new argument to anyone here, but someone in a position of authority and addressing customers should know better. Bad form friend.
          You have to understand the mods on here play on PC and give no cares for the plight of console users. I mean really why would they care when it was our money that helped their version get to where it is? It's pure idiocy to suggest buying a $300 computer to run this game and goes to show they have 0 clue. The original OP was right in suggesting a half way decent gaming rig would cost about $1000 and this game isnt worth that cost. Sly is merely playing puppet to TFP and telling people to buy a pc since he knows the console version is doomed while under the control of TFP

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Freestyle604 View Post
            Now that TFP have the rights back, it could be that simple.
            No it could not. That you think it could be is a problem. That was the whole point of my post that developing games is never as easy as people who primarily play them think it is.

            The fact is I fell for the we are working on getting the rights back to support all platforms. When the TFP changed it to support PC and aid console I felt like the writing was on the wall. Now TFP have the rights back and all of a sudden they realized they don’t know anything about porting to console. Well we all know IG can do it, and then it became about money. I am not sure why they didn’t think this out before they attempted to get the rights back.
            There was nothing to fall for. There was always a hope that they might be able to continue with console. It has always been about money. TFP has always known that they don't know anything about porting to console. None of these things were sudden revelations to TFP and they never promised otherwise. I'm sorry you had impossible expectations. Those do lead to disappointment.

            So I understand sometimes when we are emotional such as angry we might spout off something that can be misunderstood. I would also assume most console players are younger and might act before thinking. I have seen you change a post Roland after you appeared to get angry with some other user.

            So if the console forums are just a place to hear complainers, and insult or make fun of peoples opinion then close the console forums. Until PC goes gold, which no one, not even TFP have an idea of when that will be nothing is going to happen. Otherwise it is the same argument as it has always been.
            I'm working to convince the developers to reduce the console forum down to one simple General Discussions forum and One simple meet up forum. As for why I responded as I did, part of what I do is to debunk false speculation and incorrect information for the benefit of all those younger and impressionable console users. I didn't like the fact that the idea that all it takes is a push of a button and *poof* there can be more console updates was being preached. There is so much more to it. Obviously you needed me to correct this misconception yourself as even in your response you still seem to think all that is needed is one C level guy to say, "Make it so".

            Nope.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by skillz_over_9000 View Post
              You have to understand the mods on here play on PC and give no cares for the plight of console users. I mean really why would they care when it was our money that helped their version get to where it is? It's pure idiocy to suggest buying a $300 computer to run this game and goes to show they have 0 clue. The original OP was right in suggesting a half way decent gaming rig would cost about $1000 and this game isnt worth that cost. Sly is merely playing puppet to TFP and telling people to buy a pc since he knows the console version is doomed while under the control of TFP
              It's true that TFP are PC developers and this site is primarily for following their development. If you are wanting more than what the console version is currently offering, the only way to do that is to switch to the PC version.
              Last edited by Roland; 12-05-2019, 10:25 PM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Roland View Post
                No it could not. That you think it could be is a problem. That was the whole point of my post that developing games is never as easy as people who primarily play them think it is.



                There was nothing to fall for. There was always a hope that they might be able to continue with console. It has always been about money. TFP has always known that they don't know anything about porting to console. None of these things were sudden revelations to TFP and they never promised otherwise. I'm sorry you had impossible expectations. Those do lead to disappointment.



                I'm working to convince the developers to reduce the console forum down to one simple General Discussions forum and One simple meet up forum. As for why I responded as I did, part of what I do is to debunk false speculation and incorrect information for the benefit of all those younger and impressionable console users. I didn't like the fact that the idea that all it takes is a push of a button and *poof* there can be more console updates was being preached. There is so much more to it. Obviously you needed me to correct this misconception yourself as even in your response you still seem to think all that is needed is one C level guy to say, "Make it so".

                Nope.
                Who is running TFP? IF that person said lets get the update out it would happen. Or are you telling me that the person running TFP’s couldn’t make it happen?

                I get the update wouldn’t be out tomorrow, but it could happen if TFP wanted it to happen. I think your expectation of the OP being instant buy pressing a button is an over reaction.

                Correct me if I am wrong, but did you yourself say at one point that the last update being worked on was almost finished? I can comb though the old posts if needed, but I figured I would ask you directly. So if TTG was so close to pushing out the next update why could TFP not just get with IG to re-do or finish the update? Did you ask for a quote to finish or restart the update? Is that dollar amount not something that could be put to kickstart and then let the console community speak with their money??

                You said “there was always hope they might continue the with console”. I believed that statement when TFP made the initial post telling us about TTG and how they wanted to get the rights back and support all platforms. That statement changed in the next post to aid console. At that point why not come clean you don’t want to spend money on a system you have zero experience with, or the fact TFP didnt want to waste cash resources on the console for economic and experience reasons. IMHO TFP knew almost a year ago that console was dead(current version own by TFP and for sale in the console stores currently). So now, I am still stuck in eternal limbo, because TFP said they might do something. Either there is a plan in place or there isn’t. So now I wait for PC to go gold, to hear the next step. Which I think we all know is the current console is done. I don’t have impossible expectations, my expectations are what I read posted by TFP, when they decide to post in the console section.


                I like you generally only post to debunk false statements. You talking to the developers is excellent. Not sure why not just close this section at least until PC goes gold. Because it was stated that nothing is going to happen until then. So my current expectations are when PC goes gold. TFP if they need/want more money for the company they will re-release 7D2D 2. Or whatever TFP want to call it. I also expect them to say at that time something to the effect of sadness or unfortunately the reason the current console code will not be updated. Are those impossible expectations?

                Please point out my false statements. I can accept us disagreeing on pushing the damn button and if it is or isn’t easy. if you can accept my point of view not being false on when the boss says it is going to happen, you make it happen.

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                • #23
                  Look man, video game programming isn't as simple as "update(PS4, XboxOne)". There's been posts explaining this, and you can google how rough it is to update games on consoles. MS and Sony make it a big pain in the ass to do it and have 9 million rules to this and that, including breaking previous game saves. More or less, Telltale made it even worse when they published it as a "Complete game" and not early access/alpha/in progress -- putting it in an even more strict ruleset. And the update was in IG's code, not TFP. TFP have programmed nothing for the consoles. They're also a small team, why they chose a 3rd party to do it. 1 team can't build 3 bridges across the world simultaneously.

                  You're getting angry over the wrong thing.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by SylenThunder View Post
                    You can get a halfway ok PC to play it on for about $300, and a mostly decent PC for $500. Your estimation of $1000 for a PC shows that you don't shop around or know hardware very well.

                    Also, contollers are supported on the PC. You can just take the controller from your PS4 or X-Box, plug it into your PC, and game away.




                    Really, the biggest issue is how ill-informed all the complainers are.
                    Gonna have to strongly disagree here, $300-$500 is nowhere near enough unless you go used and even then I highly doubt it. If you want to run this game at 1080p you will be getting close to the $1000 mark. The gpu alone costs you around $300. Then you need..

                    Motherboard
                    A cpu.
                    cpu cooler if you go Intel
                    16gb ram
                    500 watt psu
                    A case
                    SSD

                    If you go cheap and shop around maybe $800 but then you will be turning down some gfx and you aren't buying a pc to play it how it looks on console. $1000 dollars is a good budget to aim for, you want a mid-range pc to really enjoy the game.

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                    • #25
                      PC
                      https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07R8WJMW6

                      GPU
                      https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PHWBHHX

                      $710

                      If you find them on sale, you can get as low as $500. (I know, because I did this a year ago for a gift.)
                      It will get a stable 60FPS with almost everything on max at 1080p.

                      If I were to really shop around some, I guarantee I can find a better deal. That's just from two minutes on Amazon.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by SylenThunder View Post
                        PC
                        https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07R8WJMW6

                        GPU
                        https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PHWBHHX

                        $710

                        If you find them on sale, you can get as low as $500. (I know, because I did this a year ago for a gift.)
                        It will get a stable 60FPS with almost everything on max at 1080p.

                        If I were to really shop around some, I guarantee I can find a better deal. That's just from two minutes on Amazon.
                        Yeah that looks okay I guess, I'd upgrade to a gfx card with 8gb probably and 16gb ram is pretty much standard today, then you'd be at that $800 low budget more or less as mentioned.

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                        • #27
                          If you do deal-hunting you very well can build a 300-500$ PC that'll run games better than the dutch-oven consoles. It may not play at Mega-Ultra 8k resolution, but it'll play games. And you don't have to pay for the *cough extortion fees cough* online service, while getting the same discount/deals/free games.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Jugginator View Post
                            If you do deal-hunting you very well can build a 300-500$ PC that'll run games better than the dutch-oven consoles. It may not play at Mega-Ultra 8k resolution, but it'll play games. And you don't have to pay for the *cough extortion fees cough* online service, while getting the same discount/deals/free games.
                            Sure you "can" buld a cheap pc that runs "games" but we are talking about this game which is a voxel game and it is far from optimized. Sure you can buy a pc for $300-$500 dollars but you will not enjoy the experience. You will have a very low frame rate and you will be sacrificing a lot of gfx details. If you want to enjoy the game like the streamers you watch you're going to have to spend a bit more. My budget ended up at $1200 to play this and every game at 1080p all settings on ultra. If you already play on console, save up a bit longer and take the better experience but that's my opinion of course.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Hellsmoke View Post
                              Sure you "can" buld a cheap pc that runs "games" but we are talking about this game which is a voxel game and it is far from optimized. Sure you can buy a pc for $300-$500 dollars but you will not enjoy the experience. You will have a very low frame rate and you will be sacrificing a lot of gfx details. If you want to enjoy the game like the streamers you watch you're going to have to spend a bit more. My budget ended up at $1200 to play this and every game at 1080p all settings on ultra. If you already play on console, save up a bit longer and take the better experience but that's my opinion of course.
                              That's... literally what I said... geeze lol. Both consoles could barely run 7 days at A16, and most - if not all - games on consoles run at terrible framerates. If you absolutely HAVE to have ultra graphics like your streamers then yes you'll be spending 800$. You overpaid, why I said discount-hunt. Unless you need fancy RGB puke gear and all of that jazz to enjoy your games. My HP laptop can run the game on medium graphics at better framerate than consoles ran the game lol. Like Syl said, you don't need +1000$ to run at high settings.

                              Don't forget not everyone knows you can get significant increase in performance by optimizing your OS, reducing in cost in gear.

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                              • #30
                                It's like he can't see my post with a $700 build that will do a very solid 60FPS. Get those on sale, and it's easily $500. Only want to spend $300-$500? You will still be able to get 30-40FPS which is better than the solid 30 you got on the console.

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