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    WARNING! YOU NEED WATER! (Within the next 24hours)

    Title says it all.
    Thirst warning indicator is EXTREMELY spammy.
    To the point where newbies wonder why they are thirsty all the time and just eventually learn to ignore it.
    Just like the advanced players.
    Then, since its so spammy and up ALL THE TIME; you fail to notice the indicator went from orange to red and die.

    Look, have the warning come on at thirst 55 and deydration come on at 30.
    I dont want to be spammed with "YOU ARE THIRSTY" for anything 100->0. Thats a huge oversight, uselessly clutters the HUD and gives bad information to players.

    #2
    You can eat and drink to 50 past your nominal cap. The game shows you this when you start, it tells you this multiple times in the journal entries behind the throbbing yellow ~read me~ marker on the hud, and it shows you exactly what's going on every time you eat or drink. So drink three red teas every time you get thirsty, if you're working hard you'll have to do that three, maybe four? times a day.

    When anything beyond your cap was wasted (or equivalently when the bar went all the way to the past-this-gets-wasted extreme limit), people complained about the waste, they'd always want to overeat and overdrink and complain they couldn't stay full. So now you can choose how long past "I'm not actually thirsty any more" to keep drinking, it takes a bit to imbibe all your body can possibly manage and you're not noticeably all that thirsty for the last couple drinks.
    Last edited by quyxkh; 01-19-2020, 04:54 AM.

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      #3
      I think his problem is that because something pops up on the UI to let you know of your state every time it changes, that something changing color is not enough to alert you.

      On the other hand, since there are many foods/drinks that satiate different amounts, most people want to be aware of their hunger/thirst levels at any time, even when they overeat etc, without having to open the character sheet or drink something for the indicator to appear.

      Current UI system is not bad, but perhaps it would be best if the alert icons were reserved for debuffs only, and everything else was integrated in the UI. Instead of having two separate bars for hunger/thirst like in the past, they could come up with a more compact solution, like integrating them with the stamina bar while also showing the overeating portion. While the blackened stamina bar represents hunger decently, players sometimes still open the sheet to check their overeating levels, and thirst is not represented at all. They could integrate them in a way that also makes the relationships more clear.

      Temperature should also be represented in a less linear way (other than "omg you are burning/freezing effect"), but first they have to complete the temp/weather system.
      Last edited by RestInPieces; 01-19-2020, 09:46 AM.

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        #4
        This is why I like mods that give me the exact numbers.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Pichii View Post
          .....
          Thats a huge oversight, uselessly clutters the HUD and gives bad information to players.
          Previously, information about food and water was presented directly on the screen in the form of indicators-columns.

          Do you know why they were removed?
          Joel said they were cluttering up the interface.

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            #6
            Isn't the warning given at the moment when you start suffering stamina regen problems.. as in, it is indicating an issue that would otherwise be seen only by staring at the sta bar and doing math on the numbers. If so - it has a function, it's just a little .. weird.

            I wouldn't mind removing it, or inversely adding a straight up thirst meter on the UI (or even rewriting water management entirely..) but the change I'd really like is just a simple keybind to a character stats page where you can see all the "hidden" values (mobility% / food / etc .. ) And having all of the functional ones on one page, if you want to track nonfunctional ones like hours lived and items crafted... have them on their own page, at the moment they're a little messy.

            At the moment it's one keybind plus tabbing to the wrong page by mouse and then finding the one you were looking for... gimme a simple button and I'll be happy..

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              #7
              I would love to have the ability to right click away an status update and resulting gui indicator and have it not show again until the state has changed (ie level of indication)

              I do think it is important to let you know when a state changes, but not being able to remove it is annoying. Additionally, having a hot key that displayed your buff status/H20/Food/HP and equipped armor in the SAME screen would be GREAT.

              Currently they have the buff/health/hydration/food/armor stats spread across more than one menu/screen. This should be contained in a single screen.

              Having H20/Food/Health (frequently needed info)
              in the same screen as xp to next level (rarely referenced info)

              Seems inefficiently placed and I'd rather see that in the same screen as my buff/armor/temp.

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                #8
                this is why you should use an xbox controller
                they vibrate when the thirst icon goes red
                and the hunger
                and the hot
                and the cold
                and ....

                i quite like it actually, it adds to the tension, especially when you are cold AND hungry AND being chased AND run out of stamina and you drank some dirty water and ate some food without vitamins because you were desperate, and just need to run over there (which surely isnt too far) back to base and the red icons are flashing and the controller is going zzzzt zzzzt zzzzt...
                Last edited by NukemDed; 01-20-2020, 03:39 AM.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by quyxkh View Post
                  When anything beyond your cap was wasted (or equivalently when the bar went all the way to the past-this-gets-wasted extreme limit), people complained about the waste, they'd always want to overeat and overdrink and complain they couldn't stay full. So now you can choose how long past "I'm not actually thirsty any more" to keep drinking, it takes a bit to imbibe all your body can possibly manage and you're not noticeably all that thirsty for the last couple drinks.
                  lol!

                  bar, wasted (x2), overeat, over drink, keep drinking, imbibe all you body can possibly manage, last couple of drinks

                  and thats how you make false news.

                  do you need to talk to someone?
                  sorry im busy getting another vodka
                  Last edited by NukemDed; 01-20-2020, 03:42 AM. Reason: nvmnd

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                    #10
                    Use better quality water; Purified Mineral Water drops fairly often from water coolers, even on day 1. Yucca Juice is a fairly easy alternative that's craftable early on. I get a thirst prompt every 30-36 hours in game (longer if I spend time putting around at base crafting), but I also have Iron Gut maxed at this point.

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                      #11
                      Don't understand the problem. Maybe in early game you have these icons often, because you are low on food and water supply. Since you are low anyway, you will consume everything as you find it. The constant item shows you exactly what it means: You are hungry, but not as hungry as you will starve during the next 2 hours. But nevertheless you are hungry and not fully satisfied.
                      In later game, food and water is no issue anymore. As soon as the icon pops up, you eat or drink something.

                      If you miss the icon going from orange to red and that causes you to die without knowing what's going on, you probably should switch to other games like.... tetris?

                      For me it turned out to be even more fun if you don't see exact numbers. It's even more "realisitc". 1 hour after you ate something you have "hunger" like 90%? Basically no need to eat anything but still not fully satisfied, but already careing you might starve anyway? If you are little bit thirsty, do you drink now or do you wait until your thirst makes you feeling sick before you drink anything?

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by NukemDed View Post
                        this is why you should use an xbox controller
                        they vibrate when the thirst icon goes red
                        and the hunger
                        and the hot
                        and the cold
                        and ....

                        i quite like it actually, it adds to the tension, especially when you are cold AND hungry AND being chased AND run out of stamina and you drank some dirty water and ate some food without vitamins because you were desperate, and just need to run over there (which surely isnt too far) back to base and the red icons are flashing and the controller is going zzzzt zzzzt zzzzt...
                        Vibrating controllers? Microsoft trying to attract more female gamers? I kid!

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by HungryZombie View Post
                          Vibrating controllers? Microsoft trying to attract more female gamers? I kid!
                          Now that's funny.
                          Last edited by bobrpggamer; 01-21-2020, 07:10 AM.

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                            #14
                            i did say i quite liked it...

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                              #15
                              The interesting thing for me is, with a HUD mod installed so I can see my hunger and thirst meters, the Thirst warning tends to start triggering earlier and earlier until it's eventually popping up at values over 100%, meaning I have to constantly be 'overfull' on thirst or the game will tell me I'm thirsty. 150 is the new 100. I've never quite figured out why this is. Hunger doesn't do it. Any ideas?

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