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    #46
    Originally posted by SylenThunder View Post
    @Stranded_Napkin, with the introduction of the 9th gen chipset, Intel lost the speed/performance battle. AMD CPU's have been toasting Intel since then, and the 10th gen chip is a complete joke.
    You are only partly correct here. If you go by multi-core performance, you are absolutely correct. Games however don't care about how many cores you have. Most only utilize 4. Only a few won't run on dual core cpus. Those were even patched to work on them. Single core performance is still king when discussing games performance. The 9th gen intel chips still edge the Zen 2 in some games. Yes, the 10th gen chips are complete garbage, but that doesn't make AMD automatically ahead of intel. AMD is ahead when it comes to multi-core performance which should push them further ahead in the future. I wouldn't drop money on intel right now, but to imply that they aren't ahead in regards to certain games amounts to blowing smoke, even if it's only by a few frames.

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      #47
      Originally posted by Stranded_Napkin View Post
      You are only partly correct here. If you go by multi-core performance, you are absolutely correct. Games however don't care about how many cores you have. Most only utilize 4. Only a few won't run on dual core cpus. Those were even patched to work on them. Single core performance is still king when discussing games performance. The 9th gen intel chips still edge the Zen 2 in some games. Yes, the 10th gen chips are complete garbage, but that doesn't make AMD automatically ahead of intel. AMD is ahead when it comes to multi-core performance which should push them further ahead in the future. I wouldn't drop money on intel right now, but to imply that they aren't ahead in regards to certain games amounts to blowing smoke, even if it's only by a few frames.
      this pens a little bit different story.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuaiqcjf0bs&t=628s
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stM2CPF9YAY

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        #48
        Originally posted by Stranded_Napkin View Post
        You are only partly correct here. If you go by multi-core performance, you are absolutely correct. Games however don't care about how many cores you have. Most only utilize 4. Only a few won't run on dual core cpus. Those were even patched to work on them. Single core performance is still king when discussing games performance. The 9th gen intel chips still edge the Zen 2 in some games. Yes, the 10th gen chips are complete garbage, but that doesn't make AMD automatically ahead of intel. AMD is ahead when it comes to multi-core performance which should push them further ahead in the future. I wouldn't drop money on intel right now, but to imply that they aren't ahead in regards to certain games amounts to blowing smoke, even if it's only by a few frames.
        Edit: nvm, the 9700k is better for per core performance.

        I still wouldn't buy one though... for many reasons. Gaming isn't the only thing most ppl do with computers.

        Also, you do need to factor that a lot of games favor one brand over the other regardless of actual performance of the CPU.
        Last edited by Fox; 01-30-2020, 08:42 PM.

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          #49
          I've been buying Intel for the past 20 years because I run a lot of apps, and need a CPU that will keep up with the workload. AMD has never been able to keep up with what I'm doing. I've always used car comparisons, and AMD is like a Corvette, and Intel is like a Magnum. Sure the Corvette is a lil faster, but the Magnum will carry more than 2 people, and their luggage as well.

          With that said, my next major build is going to be AMD. In the past two years, they have outclassed Intel by a fair margin. Intel is going to take a while to catch up.

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            #50
            Originally posted by Roland View Post
            To bring this argument back to topic I asked the developers, "Is there a clear winner between AMD and NVIDIA when it comes to running this game and this game alone?"

            Responses so far...

            Schwanz9000 (QA team)


            Madmole (developer)


            faatal (developer)


            Regardless of random experiences by different people we have three people from the team that program the game and help find and solve bugs that for THIS game at least there is a better choice. I'm not getting into the "less calories!" "tastes great!" shouting match but I thought the OP might like the perspective of the makers of the game they want to purchase their PCs to play.
            Well, in a perfect world this GPU brands war shouldn't even exist, well not in this shape and form anyway. The problem here is that assuming that we take any random game and test two models of GPU of the same performance level, but each GPU is of a different brand, that game should roughly run about the same on both with very small difference - we still have to consider various performance of other components as well, but the GPU itself should not be a bottleneck in that performance range regardless of the brand. If the performance gaps are too big, then something is wrong with the optimization of the game itself.

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              #51
              Originally posted by mr.devolver View Post
              Well, in a perfect world this GPU brands war shouldn't even exist, well not in this shape and form anyway. The problem here is that assuming that we take any random game and test two models of GPU of the same performance level, but each GPU is of a different brand, that game should roughly run about the same on both with very small difference - we still have to consider various performance of other components as well, but the GPU itself should not be a bottleneck in that performance range regardless of the brand. If the performance gaps are too big, then something is wrong with the optimization of the game itself.
              Well I'm sure there is still something incomplete with the optimization of the game itself. No question. Regardless of where the issue lies, the cold hard fact is that NVIDIA cards seem to do better on average with THIS game and its idiosyncrasies than the AMD cards. AMD would probably steal the show if it was another game on the docket. But the OP stated they are getting computers to primarily play this game and I think for this game NVIDIA probably is the safe bet.

              Like I said the overall question of which is better is beyond the scope of the OP's question to us given that they said they would both be playing this game primarily and this game was the reason for the PC purchase.

              Going the opposite direction if someone asked me which console they should buy to play the console version of 7 Days to Die and being able to play the console version was the whole reason for purchasing a console I would recommend the PS4 immediately because it seemed to have fewer problems than the Xbox version. This would have nothing to do with whether one console overall was better than another.
              Last edited by Roland; 01-30-2020, 11:40 PM.

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                #52
                Originally posted by Roland View Post
                Well I'm sure there is still something incomplete with the optimization of the game itself. No question. Regardless of where the issue lies, the cold hard fact is that NVIDIA cards seem to do better on average with THIS game and its idiosyncrasies than the AMD cards. AMD would probably steal the show if it was another game on the docket. But the OP stated they are getting computers to primarily play this game and I think for this game NVIDIA probably is the safe bet.

                Like I said the overall question of which is better is beyond the scope of the OP's question to us given that they said they would both be playing this game primarily and this game was the reason for the PC purchase.

                Going the opposite direction if someone asked me which console they should buy to play the console version of 7 Days to Die and being able to play the console version was the whole reason for purchasing a console I would recommend the PS4 immediately because it seemed to have fewer problems than the Xbox version. This would have nothing to do with whether one console overall was better than another.
                If someone asked me which console to buy to play 7 Days to Die, I would say PC, period.

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                  #53
                  And what are the developers gonna do about the nvidia favor? We need a strong oppossing company so nvidia can´t dictate the prices how ever they want. Competition in the industry is always good for the customer. No matter wich brand you prefer, everyone wins when there is competition.

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by Darkrift25 View Post
                    Hey everyone so i have decided to jump on the pc wagon and finally get it. My wife and i are die hard 7 days to die fans for years on console and we are both going to get pcs to get going. This is really the only game that we will be getting and playing for the most part. I know there are a lot of people on here with pc knowledge to be able to steer us in the right direction. We really have no idea how to build one so we are most likely going to go in to a local store/online and purchase our setups. From what i have found im looking to around just for the tower plug and play im guessing both computers to run on good graphics (we are not really needing ultra settings im guessing?) I estimate roughly 3-5k for both? If you guys could post sites/links to what would be a good idea that would be amazing. Like i said we are not looking to play more than 7 days to die and like games. Thank you so much in advance have a great day!
                    I have to say it even though I did not read the entire post, but please do not be intimidated about building a PC, it is really easy, even for me and I'm an idiot.

                    My lat build was (11-2019)
                    Gigabyte Z930 AOURUS Pro-CF
                    Intel i7 9700K @3.6Ghz
                    32GB DDR4 3000
                    2 512GB Samsung 970 Evo M.2 SSDs

                    I swapped my graphic card on the older PC so i did not need to buy one
                    GTX 1080

                    I have very good performance with 7 days to die A18 on all high settings with solid 60FPS with vsync on. I would highly suggest this setup, although with maybe a better GPU if possible.

                    The CPU runs cool with a Noctua NH-U12S 120x120x25mm with 2 120mm fans at 2400 RPM, I get about 25c idle and tops out at something like 50c max.

                    Seriously do not waste your money, at least try and build a PC and if all else fails just send back the parts and then get a pre-built system.

                    Sorry for not reading the entire post, but I am into building PCs, so it always gets me when I hear about Alienware or similar gaming systems.
                    Last edited by bobrpggamer; 01-31-2020, 06:01 AM.

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by pApA^LeGBa View Post
                      And what are the developers gonna do about the nvidia favor? We need a strong oppossing company so nvidia can´t dictate the prices how ever they want. Competition in the industry is always good for the customer. No matter wich brand you prefer, everyone wins when there is competition.
                      Agreed. There is the unfortunate tendency of a dominat market position to support itself. In the case of 7D2D I remember a post from Fataal where he said that changing graphical parameters to make AMD work better did make the game on NVIDIA work worse and vice versa. And considering nvidia graphics cards are by far the majority you can guess which setting is normally kept.

                      So even if an issues is actually the fault of nvidia's software it still might be seen as a problem of the AMD software!

                      For the OP the situation is clear: If they want less issues in the short term, they surely are better served with nvidia. Note they didn't even ask about that but most novice PC users don't like to have issues where they have to play around with settings or ask around.
                      Long term the issues should not be a concern, they should have been fixed eventually. Anyone who isn't too picky about having some issues with the game should think about if he wants to support a dominant market position that hurts him in the long run.

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