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    Originally posted by Fischer View Post
    I'm gonna start by saying these are the ♥♥♥♥tiest forums for getting registered on I've ever seen.
    You like things more simple, I assume..? :-P

    Originally posted by Fischer View Post
    But I had to come on and say something about the load of ♥♥♥♥ being spouted. Probably not going to make me popular with the "old timers" with lots and lots of posts here so maybe my first and last.
    I started playing in December on whatever version of the game that was and I've been having a blast. This game has gotten inside my head like no other I have ever played and it is like crack cocaine in game form. I already have over 200 hours. I found these forums and was just lurking reading about the next update and I caught this whole conversation and kept following it after it was moved here tho with all the name changes and shifting around it wasn't easy. Seriously thought the whole thing was deleted when the title got changed...derp
    I just don't undestand why this stallionsden character is getting a free pass for being insulting and boorish and the few people who do call him on it get shouted down. He said this about me and peeps like me. I bolded the word all because he keeps saying he never said "all" lol--

    "Thats cause all the new players need the answers given to them. Cant think how to make something with out the game giving them the answer."
    "All" is really just a hyperbole, not every word one leaves on the internet is well thoughtout, particularly when a text is written with a bit of passion.

    Then again, and think about that for a moment, it's also a fact, that it's the or one of the head developer's who wants to "simplify" the game. One could interpret that as him thinking that "all" new players want a game that is much easier than what we had for the past ten years. Another hyperbole, I don't know the exact length of development so far.

    Originally posted by Fischer View Post
    and then goes on to continue to be insulting to anyone not exactly like him. its insulting and condescending to say I don't know what I missed.
    Not at all, it's just the truth, if you only played since A17 or later, you really don't know what you missed.

    Originally posted by Fischer View Post
    Why the ♥♥♥ should I give a rats ass what I suposedly missed out on?
    Because what you missed is considered even better than what you consider hearting awesome right now. Even better. Why would you not want something that is even better?

    Originally posted by Fischer View Post
    I like what we have now and it's ♥♥♥♥ing awesome
    But you don't know what you're missing. No offense.

    Originally posted by Fischer View Post
    and definitely replayable enough for me to have played the beginning of the game several times. I played one full playthrough until about day 110 and felt it was starting to get repetitive but I died a lot during that play and since then Ive been starting over every time I die to see what day I can get to without any deaths. They should make that a setting in the options, btw.
    The first 25 hours of gameplay isn't boring at all and I've played it now about 6-8 times and I'm still not bored so that is some serious replayability right there.
    That's very great, now imagine a game, that is EVEN BETTER than this. That is so damn good, that people who have played it say what we have now has no replay value. That's nothing you're even remotely interested in?

    Originally posted by Fischer View Post
    If anything it is the very end of the game that starts getting boring and repetitive which is why I decided to start over. As I said, I've died plenty so the game isn't just plain easy. Im not using any mods and don't even know how to add mods anyway and the game is still a ♥♥♥♥ing blast jus the way it is.
    Anyways, people have been accusing the moderator and others of attacking stallionsden for his opinion but then they're giving him a free pass on insulting me and those like me and I call that bull♥♥♥♥ and I don't care if you've been here since the early days. You old timers don't like it when someone said your boredom comes from playing for so many hours but if you want to say that I need everything handed to me and to be babied then you'll just have to take it when I say go play a new game if the thrill is gone for you! Like, holy ♥♥♥♥--its just a game and games loose excitement after awhile.
    But this game did not loose excitement and the thrill, before the devs significantly changed the mechanics. That is how good it was. You have no idea, trust me, I have 1,500 posts.

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      Originally posted by Kubikus View Post
      I have 1,500 posts.
      Hyperbole.

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        Originally posted by Roland View Post
        Hyperbole.
        I'm also counting the troll posts that got deleted.

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          Originally posted by Kubikus View Post
          That's very great, now imagine a game, that is EVEN BETTER than this. That is so damn good, that people who have played it say what we have now has no replay value. That's nothing you're even remotely interested in?
          Just FYI Fischer: There is no need to have to imagine it. Right click on the game title in your library and select properties. Choose the Beta tab and from the drop down menu that probably says "NONE-- Opt out of all betas" you can select any of the past versions back to around Alpha 9. You can try them out and compare and see for yourself. See how they stack up next to A18.

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            Originally posted by bobrpggamer View Post
            I have to agree that its too simple to get what you need or want. One of my favorite things was mining and the above ground stones that appear for every mineral is taking away my fun of exploring deep mines for my needed minerals. As well a the fact that you can buy everything at a trader, Gyrocopters to Chemistry Stations means less to look forward to in later game stages. the books are cool but some recipes could be locked for a later game stage. In other words there is not much to look forward to in the future and its become a bit more like a FPS with elements of survival, base building and crafting, when it was much better as a survival, base building and crafting game with FPS elements.
            Items like the gyrocopter, chem station, and especially the obnoxiously priced solar cells are expensive. Hell, the vehicle parts are expensive. I've made mods that help, i.e. treasures and certain vanilla blocks, but even with all those extra dukes I've run out of money. TFP didn't exactly make them easy to afford. I'd say that the balance is there.

            Then, there's the issue of the books. You can unlock everything through books. I see this as inherently balanced. It doesn't unlock levels. You may unlock steel sledges or the smg but they'll be level 1 unless you spec into it.

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              I'm honestly just reading this thread, sipping my tea, really amused at all the people speaking for the vets who hate the game now.

              As someone who started playing in A9 or A10 and who likes the game more with each iteration... y'know. Suck it. You don't speak for all of us.

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                Originally posted by Feycat View Post
                I'm honestly just reading this thread, sipping my tea, really amused at all the people speaking for the vets who hate the game now.

                As someone who started playing in A9 or A10 and who likes the game more with each iteration... y'know. Suck it. You don't speak for all of us.
                Same boat , though rum not tea lol

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                  vodka here bro

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                    Just to add something I find interesting: Fallout 4 has 5 (yes five) possible endings! The fifth one is fully scripted and intended, BUT WAS NEVER MADE PUBLIC! Bethesda, salute.

                    So, bringing that around to 7D2D, the game we all love (even though some are currently annoyed).
                    How about some quests having some types of Easter egg if you complete it a certain way (using only melee weapons for one example). You don't have to limit it to only quest. For example: if you never steal from or hit a certain trader, they will give you something interesting on day 70 if you show up! (for example).

                    Just trying to keep things fresh.

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                      Originally posted by Roland View Post
                      Just FYI Fischer: There is no need to have to imagine it. Right click on the game title in your library and select properties. Choose the Beta tab and from the drop down menu that probably says "NONE-- Opt out of all betas" you can select any of the past versions back to around Alpha 9. You can try them out and compare and see for yourself. See how they stack up next to A18.
                      Some imagination is helpful to, though I did that before, answer the good old question "why don't you just play the previous alpha then". Because the latest alphas have great new features, while the older alphas, on top of lacking those great new features, also have significant flaws. So use that imagination to imagine what the game could be, if what made the older alphas EVEN BETTER was still there, the flaws would be removed and the great new features sat on top of all that greatness.

                      This - in all my usual humility - is really a wonderful, if not perfect explanation of the old timers disgruntlement:

                      Originally posted by Kubikus View Post
                      They made a game that was so-and-so "complicated", that became a hit, sold - last thing I heard years ago - over 1.5 million copies, made the owners rich. Now that we are nearing the end of development, instead of getting the polished version of that great game we supported, the version we all were looking forward too, we (seem to) get a simplified version, that is simplified in hopes of selling more copies to new players who - obviously in the decision maker's mind - are too dumb to play the game they actually wanted to make.

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                        Originally posted by Feycat View Post
                        I'm honestly just reading this thread, sipping my tea, really amused at all the people speaking for the vets who hate the game now.

                        As someone who started playing in A9 or A10 and who likes the game more with each iteration... y'know. Suck it. You don't speak for all of us.
                        I'm honestly reading it, sipping my coffee, really amused at people getting cought up in that word "all". I wouldn't even know where the "all old timers" was used only once. Wasn't it just so that "all new players" was used once..? 'Bout time to get over that one bloody hyperbole.

                        And I don't hate the game now. Didn't read everything, but I also never saw anybody say they "hate" the game now. It has lost it's replay value. Why not for you?

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                          Originally posted by Kubikus View Post
                          I'm honestly reading it, sipping my coffee, really amused at people getting cought up in that word "all". I wouldn't even know where the "all old timers" was used only once. Wasn't it just so that "all new players" was used once..? 'Bout time to get over that one bloody hyperbole.

                          And I don't hate the game now. Didn't read everything, but I also never saw anybody say they "hate" the game now. It has lost it's replay value. Why not for you?
                          I hated 17. I really don't like 18. So, improvement?

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                            Originally posted by Kubikus View Post
                            You like things more simple, I assume..? :-P

                            "All" is really just a hyperbole, not every word one leaves on the internet is well thoughtout, particularly when a text is written with a bit of passion.

                            Then again, and think about that for a moment, it's also a fact, that it's the or one of the head developer's who wants to "simplify" the game. One could interpret that as him thinking that "all" new players want a game that is much easier than what we had for the past ten years. Another hyperbole, I don't know the exact length of development so far.

                            Not at all, it's just the truth, if you only played since A17 or later, you really don't know what you missed.

                            Because what you missed is considered even better than what you consider hearting awesome right now. Even better. Why would you not want something that is even better?

                            But you don't know what you're missing. No offense.

                            That's very great, now imagine a game, that is EVEN BETTER than this. That is so damn good, that people who have played it say what we have now has no replay value. That's nothing you're even remotely interested in?

                            But this game did not loose excitement and the thrill, before the devs significantly changed the mechanics. That is how good it was. You have no idea, trust me, I have 1,500 posts.
                            No hearts this time since I was told not to. What a hypocrite you are! Here I am a new member of your community and you treat me like I'm a moron. You criticize others for attacking and making people look foolish but its all you do at least in this thread. I have nothing to say to you after this. The forum had some kind of technical difficulty and I had to try several times before getting registered. I like complex games. Your just a bully. I didn't agree to be a part of it.
                            I don't care about what you think I missed. I like what I'm playing now and that is fine by me. Your burned out on the game. Just admit it. Even if those old features were still in and had never been changed you would still be bored by this time. Its common sense.

                            And I'm out. Go ahead and take the last word to mock me some more. Back to lurking for me and continue replaying 7 Days to Die. I'm way way past 5 minutes and haven't loaded any mods and it is great fun. I won't say most are like me but I do wonder who else is like me but I don't blame them for not coming to this forum to say it!
                            Last edited by Crater Creator; 02-16-2020, 08:55 AM. Reason: off topic personal commentary

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                              Originally posted by Fischer View Post
                              Why the ♥♥♥ should I give a rats ass what I suposedly missed out on? I like what we have now and it's ♥♥♥♥ing awesome
                              This makes me think of people who really like coca cola and stuff fried in vegetable oil these days.

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                                Originally posted by meganoth View Post
                                Do you think Cardio is essential for normal melee combat or for "oh ♥♥♥♥" moments to run away?

                                If the former, players specializing in ranged combat get a free pass. Stealth players don't need much stamina at all. I haven't tested a heavy-armor-standing-around-in-doorways-and-hitting-everything-that-dares-approach-build yet, but it seems in "normal" difficulty settings at least you can only be seriously harmed if the zombies surround you.

                                If the latter, there are other ways in the game to get out of "oh ♥♥♥♥" moments. Like setting up a safety turret behind, good stealth or a safety gun with an always full magazine. Someone not doing (much) melee also has no need for Cardio since he can always use his full stamina budget for running. Maximum distance one needs is usually to where the bike is parked.

                                PS: Just for the thread title: https://steamcommunity.com/app/25157...6629864818804/ .
                                Parkour is also good for escaping. Better than running even it could be argued. Just jump up on a roof.

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