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    Originally posted by Roland View Post
    I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would think the new iron club is less creative than the old one. How could anyone honestly look at the new one and think "half-assed and rushed" after seeing the original one?

    The fact that TFP is creating their own original assets rather than using ones you can buy in a store and can be seen in half a dozen other Unity games shows that they aren't trying to rush anything. Rushing and half-assing it would be to call it done by using canned art assets.

    Also Joel just announced that gold wouldn't be coming in 2020. Seems they are taking their "rushing" at a pretty slow pace....

    It's fine if you don't like the art style of the new club but saying that it is rushed or uncreative or half-assed especially compared to the original design is going too far in my opinion. It is surprising.
    Roland, for once I have to agree with you. This new iron club looks badass AND pretty creative to me. I was just about to post that I think the new iron club looks very cool and sturdy, much better and heavier than the old one, so I do hope it will get better stats too lol!

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      Originally posted by NoisyCricket View Post
      I feel like the few people complaining about the new club are the minority. According to my sample of myself, my kids, and my sister: 100% like it. So statistically someone is off! (source: math)

      Also, unrelated question: Is there any chance in the future (A19 or later) that the passenger of the 4x4 will be able to shoot while the other drives? To me that would give a very strong reason to upgrade past motorcycles, but maybe that's just me.
      Never had an issue with people who like it. I simply dont which is fine my own thoughts and i will just mod it out... or scrap it .. never once had a issue with those whom like it.

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        Originally posted by mr.devolver View Post
        Roland, for once I have to agree with you.
        for once....?

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          Originally posted by Zombiepoptard View Post
          I agree with some people regarding the iron club being the last tier. No one would make a club like this when there’s a ton of bats laying around in houses. As far as the books go just put the perks on both the bat and the iron club.

          On a side note I hope in the future when you get to tier 3 their will be a lot more weapons variations that are tier 3.
          in real life if I was fighting zombies I would take the Iron Club over the bat any day of the week just because of the higher impact force the Iron Club would have due to its mass.

          Do I want to hit a z 3 or 4 times with a bat in order to drop it or IC that would have a higher impact force resulting in fewer blows?

          obviously this is hypothetical as we do not know but if the game was to follow real world laws of physics then the Iron Club would be more powerful than the bat.

          Example: To calculate the force of impact, divide kinetic energy by distance. F = (0.5 * m * v^2) ų d

          During an impact, an object's energy is converted into work. The energy of a moving object is called kinetic energy, and is equal to one half of the object's mass times the square of its velocity: KE = 0.5 ◊ m ◊ v^2.
          Work occurs when a force is applied to move an object a certain distance. Therefore, work is equal to force multiplied by distance: W = F ◊ d. Because force is a component of work and an impact is the conversion of energy into work, you can use the equations for energy and work to solve for the force of an impact. -Timothy Banas
          Last edited by ZombieSurvivor; 4 weeks ago. Reason: Spelling errors, removed a sentence.

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            Originally posted by Roland View Post
            for once....?
            Well we didn't come to too many agreements in recent centuries, did we? lol but this time it's different! I absolutely agree with you on this club, that's something, right?

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              I for one love the new club design. It looks as creative as a club can be. I know you guys wonít rush anything. Keep up the good work and keep making more weapons.
              Love- ZombiePoptard

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                Originally posted by Zombiepoptard View Post
                I for one love the new club design. It looks as creative as a club can be. I know you guys won’t rush anything. Keep up the good work and keep making more weapons.
                Love- ZombiePoptard
                I absolutely agree. This new iron club is badass, they paid a lot of attention to details and came up with a very creative design! I love it.

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                  Originally posted by ZombieSurvivor View Post
                  in real life if I was fighting zombies I would take the Iron Club over the bat any day of the week just because of the higher impact force the Iron Club would have due to its mass.

                  Do I want to hit a z 3 or 4 times with a bat in order to drop it or IC that would have a higher impact force resulting in fewer blows?

                  obviously this is hypothetical as we do not know but if the game was to follow real world laws of physics then the Iron Club would be more powerful than the bat.
                  It looks way more complex than a bat. It seems like a season bandit would make this club. Thatís the reason why I would want it to me at least the same tier as a bat. You could have alternative last tier weapons.

                  I want the weapon tier to plateau and start giving us cool weird apocalyptic weapons. The game would benefit of the depth in its rewards.
                  Last edited by Zombiepoptard; 4 weeks ago.

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                    Originally posted by stallionsden View Post
                    Faatal also stated it as well. Weeks not months.
                    Sure....call it 20 weeks if you want. Faatal also said not to put too much stock any longer into labels like A19. It's just the next update. They could call it 18.4 or they could call it 19.0. The point is that their goal is to do smaller updates so because of that they won't take as long.

                    On the other hand, their stated goal has been smaller shorter updates since A13...

                    So let's keep it "allegedly shorter updates" until and if A19 actually drops this Spring.

                    And exactly alpha/beta. From what i see there is still a long way to go before beta. Rwg needs massive work. Water needs a major re work. Navezgane and the story need alot of work. End game is currently non existing and with all this work that is needed i dont think 2020 is near beta stage.
                    They have been in a hybrid Alpha/Beta mode since A17 dropped. Their model isn't so much a classic alpha then beta format. So when Joel said Alpha/Beta through the end of 2020 he means more of what they are currently doing but there isn't a big rush to gold. Finally, there WILL be some things such as story that will not be added until after gold. Workshop integration and full modding support is another that has been mentioned that will come after gold.

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                      Originally posted by Zombiepoptard View Post
                      It looks way more complex than a bat. It seems like a season bandit would make this club. That’s the reason why I would want it to me at least the same tier as a bat. You could have alternative last tier weapons.
                      Imagine if they kept both the original as a simple iron club and this new one as a more advanced version and which one you would craft would depend on your skill. Basically the better you would get, the better iron club you would craft.

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                        Originally posted by Zombiepoptard View Post
                        It looks way more complex than a bat. It seems like a season bandit would make this club. That’s the reason why I would want it to me at least the same tier as a bat. You could have alternative last tier weapons.

                        I want the weapon tier to plateau and start giving us cool weird apocalyptic weapons. The game would benefit of the depth in its rewards.
                        Agreed. Although it would make sense for the iron club to be a higher tier weapon than the bat but so long as it is equal to or greater than the bat. In the end though this is a game and I'm cool with whatever.

                        Personally I love the look of that bat and imo its the most badass looking melee weapon in the game.
                        Last edited by ZombieSurvivor; 4 weeks ago.

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                          Originally posted by Adam the Waster View Post
                          well. whats wrong with it?
                          I think it looks great as a sculpture. I have a cute little T-rex figure made out of random bits of metal junk that it reminds me of. As a club though it looks unusable, and unrealistic. The handle on it is a great way to end up breaking your hand in the heat of the moment. There is a reason clubs don't normally have handles. It's also top heavy. Very top heavy. Which means realistically it could easily go flying the moment you get a good swing with momentum. Not to mention what interesting things could happen if you smashed it into something and it gets stuck.

                          Clubs are supposed to be bashing weapons. Blunt force trauma, right? This thing isn't a club anymore. I don't use clubs so I don't really care what they look like. I just would hope the team would hopefully not give other weapons the same treatment by making them look like art pieces that look like they are meant to hang on a wall and never get used (kind of like half the stuff you see in sword and knife shops).

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                            Originally posted by Roland View Post
                            I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would think the new iron club is less creative than the old one. How could anyone honestly look at the new one and think "half-assed and rushed" after seeing the original one?

                            The fact that TFP is creating their own original assets rather than using ones you can buy in a store and can be seen in half a dozen other Unity games shows that they aren't trying to rush anything. Rushing and half-assing it would be to call it done by using canned art assets.

                            Also Joel just announced that gold wouldn't be coming in 2020. Seems they are taking their "rushing" at a pretty slow pace....

                            It's fine if you don't like the art style of the new club but saying that it is rushed or uncreative or half-assed especially compared to the original design is going too far in my opinion. It is surprising.
                            The people are very crazy, it's incredible, it can't be that they don't like the new iron club, it's the coolest in terms of art, it's also something of their own! You must support this, for me it is a leaps and bounds! Thank you guys so much for this beautiful job! Do not listen to negative people, if you do not like to activate a mods of another iron club, thank you!

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                              Originally posted by mr.devolver View Post
                              Imagine if they kept both the original as a simple iron club and this new one as a more advanced version and which one you would craft would depend on your skill. Basically the better you would get, the better iron club you would craft.
                              That would work to my design suggestion. They could make the higher tier weapons already lvl6 but the weaker weapons look cooler as they climb to lvl6.

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                                Originally posted by ZombieSurvivor View Post
                                Agreed. Although it would make sense for the iron club to be a higher tier weapon than the bat but so long as it is equal to or greater than the bat. In the end though this is a game and I'm cool with whatever.

                                Personally I love the look of that bat and imo its the most badass looking melee weapon in the game.
                                7 days to die is life. Lol joking Iím just really hyped for this game. Iím spit balling ideas hopefully theyíre listening as always.

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